Nylon Sachets - Update

I am so disappointed to find out the 3 large bags of tea use harmful nylon bags. As a cancer patient, I have to be careful about hormone disrupting toxins. Why has it taken so long to just switch to paper? The sugarcane by-products are just another undiscovered hazard yet to find is there.

Many have already voiced this, but I am one more who is really not into steeping hot liquids in plastic.
Not to mention the impact on the environment.
Will there be an update on what you will be switching to, and if so it would be nice for H&S to also explain a bit what the new material is (PLA sounds good, but from my research, others also find it “sounds” like its plastic, or in any case, gives impression of being highly synthetic, not a “natural” material…)

In the meantime I will probably bite the bullet and try your tea since the packaging looks amazing! Hopefully I will score one without the plastic bag :-S

Latest update is that they have machines up and running (delayed by covid travel restrictions) and will begin transitioning over soon – very exciting!

https://www.harney.com/blogs/news/nylon-sachet-update

Any update on this? I can’t drink tea in tea bags that is leaching microplastics. Please update your customers asap and be an industry leader on this! Go back to paper in the meantime??

Thank you for working on this. A friend has given me many tins of your tea, but I don’t want to drink it due to the material of the tea bags. I am happy to hear you are looking into other alternatives.

Hi- have you resolved the plastic vs nylon vs biodegradable sachet issue. Please look at other sachets on the market like PLA poly lactic acid. Please update this message list if you have a resolution. Thank you for your time.

I was prepared to make the full swing switch to a major H&S tea addiction, when I paused to make certain the bags were biodegradable and safe to drink from. This IS the best tea but I’m sorry I won’t be making the leap. Please update when this gets resolved and I’ll happily join Team H&S!

The the type of fuel our cars use and the materials that they are comprised of are more harmful to the environment than any amount of nylon tea bags that are in the subject here. Just sayin

I am commenting to be kept abreast of any updates to this issue (which really shouldn’t even be an issue). I mean, use what other clean tea companies use.

In a 19-Jan-2021 blog post about tea packaging, this is what Mike Harney had to say about the status of transitioning from nylon bags. Hope this helps others who landed here from Google as I did.

“While bringing nylon sachets into the US seemed like a good idea at first, we came to realize that they are not good for the planet. So we started down the road to make them compostable. We have found a sugarcane material that works and were ready to make the change when COVID-19 hit, and the Japanese techs could not come over to adjust our machines. Let’s hope in several months they will be able to make the trip, and we can switch. We are also making other packaging compostable. Of course, loose tea has less packaging, so there are fewer issues.”

I just started drinking your tea a couple of months ago. And I love it!!! So, today, I’ve been searching all over your website to figure out how to order the tea in bulk, but now I see your tea bags either have micro plastics or are not compostable. I also saw the comment that no work is being done on this because of the pandemic. This seems like a mission critical change management initiative that I hope you circle back to as soon as possible. So today, I’ll be doing research online to find a brand of tea that will give me green tea with coconut in an environmentally friendly package.

Hello,

I would like an update on the Nylon bag situation. I would like to know if current Nylon tea bags in Canada are safe vs not safe.

Cheers!

Just found this blog post on your website after my husband asked if the sachets are compostable (we compost nearly everything we eat/drink – the tea bag he was drinking is, it looks like yours isn’t). I’ll have to stop buying from you folks until you’ve found a compostable offering. In the meantime, it would be really nice if you could specify in the about page what material the sachets are made out of.

Agree with the requests for an update. At the very least, your website should inform what the sachets for a particular product are made of. I was disappointed to receive an organic tisane (not available in loose form) that turned out to be In what appears to be nylon bags.

I am finding Harney and Sons tea bags in my compost. Great compost with fully intact tea bags. Not good. Looking up on line I have found this conversation. This is no joke, please move on from plastics and the nylon tea bags. Convenience is king these days but it can be had with biodegradable fibers, reusable sashes, or loose leaf solutions. Please continue to move forward on this and make change happen. Thank you.

Echoing others’ request for a follow up on the status of replacing the nylon bags. I agree with person who said that tags aren’t necessary. If that’s the only barrier, please just remove the tags. Thank you!

Leaving a comment so that others who were curious and searched for answers on this can see and learn. I just called Harney and was disappointed to hear that they paused this project as a result of covid. This is an issue that is important to me as I do not want plastics in my body or the environment.

Hi, I’d like an update on your progress with switching to safer sachets, since the discovery of the dangers last fall. We had to switch to loose teas and infusers, and cutting open our old plastic sachets. It would help to know if you’ve got a safer product now. If you do, please announce it! Thanks!

Thank you for your continued efforts to eliminate the nylon sachets; as for the strings and tags – they’re not necessary, in fact I cut them off prior to using as they draw up the tea, making a wet mess. :(

I wish you’d sell loose tea in smaller packages than 1 pound and w/o tins. I love your tins and have several but getting tea in a tin every time is not the best for the environment. I want to buy loose tea but 1 pound is too much as it would last me forever, it requires long-term storage, and then it does not allow me to try different varieties as I simply do not have space to store 5 pounds of tea in the house. Can you please package your loose tea in 4oz and 8oz bags and then have an option to buy a tin if one would like a tin?

As for the sachets, opting for natural fiber like linen would be the best as it would not leach any plastics into the tea and is also quite environmentally friendly to produce. Thanks.

Are there any updates? We are not buying the plastic sachets, so our Harney choices are limited right now, but we are anxious to start buying Earl Grey Supreme again. Loose leaf is fine for home, but the pre-packaged bags are needed for work.

On a humorous note, you should’ve seen our faces when we realized that all of those hundreds of Harney sachets were never going to break down in our compost heap. We are still finding them in our garden, years later, fully intact.

Paris tea is my world favorite; I have got so many family and friends hooked on this tea! I greatly appreciate your seeking the healthiest option. I would prefer a paper tea bag and a tail is not necessary. But I would cut open the tea bag, brew it loose leaf, and strain it before I quit drinking this most exquisite of teas!!!

I am SO glad and relieved to see that you won’t be producing those noxious, nylon sachets anymore. As other people have mentioned, what’s wrong with paper tea bags?—especially compostable, environmental-friendly paper tea bags? Also, if the whole craze for these tea sachets was because of “extra flow-through room” (I’m not sure it really matters, honestly), why not make the paper tea bags bigger? Thank you for caring about the environment and your customers! Cheers! :)

i will only purchase teas that are environmentally responsible, including bags, tags and sachets. Thank you for addressing these concerns.

Thank you so much for taking action on this! I’ve long been concerned about the nylon bags (not compostable, not good for me) and am happy to see you making progress on this! As for the tags, do you need them? I use the spoon to fish my tea sachet out of the tea anyway, and I already know what tea I’m drinking so I don’t need it as an identifier. Save your resources and just go tagless :)

I am so-o-o glad to hear you are addressing the nylon bag problem. I gave up plastic bottles years ago, and I’ve been concerned about the non-recyclable, non-compostable bag for a long time—but couldn’t find any other tea to compete with Harney & Sons. The convincing research on plastic particles led me to think I would never be able to indulge in my beloved Herbal Hot Cinnamon Spice again. The recent post noting your new bags has inspired me to make a new order, which makes me happy. I don’t much care for either tags or bulk shipping bags; I keep the tins and transfer tea bags into them anyway—tags just get in the way, I use a spoon to remove my bag. I would love to be able to put my used tea bags in my garden compost.

Noticed the sachets in the Hot Cinnamon Sunset are different from the ones I ordered last month. As long as the tea itself remains unchanged, I am okay with the new tea bags. 😊

The important property of tea bag material with respect to plastic particles leaching into tea is the “glass transition temperature” of the plastic/polymer resin that is being used. The glass transition temperature is the temperature at which the polymer chains (intertwined like a cooked and dried bowl of noodles) start having enough kinetic energy to slide past each other (bowl of noodles now is wet/buttery and being shook violently). In a fine mesh like in a sachets, polymer chains do not have very far to wriggle before being released into the tea.
PLA may be from more sustainable sources than petroleum, but substituting PLA for Nylon only makes the micro- and nano- plastics problem slightly better.
The glass transition temperature for Nylon is 47C, that of PLA is 60-65C. Keep in mind that tea is supposed to be brewed around 80C, but is often brewed near boiling (100C). Based on these intrinsic material properties, investing in sachets made of plastics is not very progressive.
Please consider using natural fibers. Also, oxygen-bleaching cotton, manila hemp (abaca) or paper is considered quite safe and a common industry practice among the more health and well-being focused tea companies. Thank you for your transparency. Best of luck in this transition!

Thank you for investigating this. I would be fine without the tag. I’ve switched to loose tea for now to avoid the plastic, but there doesn’t seem to be a great quantity of my favorite, coconut green tea, on Amazon, and it’s not an option on your site.

I would rather have tabless myself. The tag always ends up in my cup as a floating soggy paper I have to fish out. Republic of Teas doesn’t have a tag on theirs. Maybe you can look into it. Thabknyou for being so honest. I stopped buying after I found about about the plastic but am more than willing to come back because you have the best tea.

I, too, am concerned about the nylon sachets, not only for the environment, but also based on the amount of plastic I may be ingesting every time I drink a cup of tea. I love your Christmas teas and have started to clip the sachet and brew the tea loosely. Which reminds me, why don’t you sell loose tea? Also, I’m fine with classic brown paper, biodegradable tea bags. I’m looking forward to seeing what you come up with as a replacement. Hopefully, it will be soon. There’s all ready too much plastic in our ecosystem. Thanks for your efforts and excellent tea.

Thank you for addressing this issue so quickly, honestly, and transparently. It shows your professionalism and regard for your customers!

I just learned of this sachet concern from a friend yesterday. I did a quick search for “Harney & Sons” + “Sachet” and found this. THANK YOU for being so forth coming, honest, and actionable. I love Harney tea and I’m excited to see what the company comes up with.

Thank you for continuing to make superior tea and look out for you loyal customers at the same time.

Would be happy with sencha in “sugar-cane” bags without tags in 50 unit bags.
Any way of making this available until you figure out the tag issue?

The favorable comments about how you’re taking action are spot on. Thank you! I’d like to add my support for your not being concerned with maintaining the sachets but going with paper and no tag. If the teas were offered in a cardboard container it would easy to transfer them to airtight containers to maintain freshness. I’m sure a lot of your customers save previously used tins and it’s easy to relabel them. Such packaging would also support efforts customers make to recycle and compost.

Brice: Yes, absolutely serging the tag onto the seam tail can be done. Anybody old enough remember when Fauchon (Paris) made (or subcontracted) their own cotton-cheesecloth tea bags in the 1980s, has seen just such a tail and lockstitch-sewn-on tag at the end of the braid. The question is, how much did it cost and did it take hand labor to fit the tag and trim? [Harneys: I willingly paid the premium for those Fauchon bags, and switched only because Fauchon stopped selling them. I later switched to your bags from Tea Forte because yours were nylon instead of PET, and had no wasteful “pyramid packaging”. I doubt you will publish this comment, but take it to heart: cotton is, as the Cotton Board keeps reminding us, “the fabric of our lives”, as opposed to “the petroleum products of our death.” On the other hand, I’m positive that Fauchon heavily bleached their inexpensive cotton; so who knows what byproduct I ingested, heh!]

I would love to see the HT teas loose leaf. I’ve taste-tested all of your breakfast teas, and the HT English Breakfast is my favorite. I don’t want to ingest microplastics, but I also do not want to give up my favorite tea.
Also, is there any action being taken for those of your customers who have already purchased your plastic teabags? An exchange program or something? In the meantime, I will continue to drink my HT English Breakfast tea, removing it from the bag & brewing it loose leaf. (It won’t solve the plastic waste problem, but it takes care of the plastic ingestion problem!)

Thank you for being so quick to address concerns regarding the results of this study. I love your tea and look forward to enjoying it far into the future without any worries.

When will these new sachets be available for purchase? I buy from Barnes and Noble

I originally bought the sachets because they were convenient and offered in bulk. I’d like to see tea in the paper tea bags, without the foil packaging. Kind of like Celestial Seasonings but maybe you can offer 20+ in a tin and 50+ in a bag.

I’m with Amy, I would be fine with a paper to go product. No need to complicate things with a plastic “sachet”. If the purposes of purchasing plastic are so important because it lends to a superior brew, supplying your own container is advised. I believe harney and sons has made its position that plastic is not welcome in its teas.

Thank you for taking the steps you have already. I look forward to your continued success and great tea.

I actually cut the tag off before pouring the hot water over it. (I like to leave the tea sachet in my cup while I drink it b/c I like my tea strong.)

Very much appreciate this effort and your prompt action in light of the study, but why not focus on/emphasize the safe (for people and the environment) paper tea bags you already sell? Sachets are pretty but not necessary for a good cup of tea, which is what most of us really care about when we buy Harney’s!

I love that you are taking a proactive approach to this…. I think I will have a cup of tea to celebrate!!!

Thank you Harney and Sons! I appreciate your dedication to addressing this. In the mean time can we get the pretty tins (for the 20 count sachets) available for loose leaf? #LooseLeaf #ThatTinThough #HtblendsGotTheBestPackaging

Thank you so much for striving for excellence and caring about the earth and the health of your customers! This is why we love Harney. I am particularly interested in fully biodegradeable sachets. I stopped purchasing sachets when I realized they are not biodegradeable.

This couldn’t have come at a better time for me. I am getting low on my current Harney & Sons tea and was extremely sad because I love your teas (currently drinking the Victorian London Fog and the Tower of London blends) and was thinking I might not be able to buy more in good conscience. Thank you for keeping us up to date on your efforts to provide us with the best tea experience and keep the earth clean.

You could also ask the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to comment on the Canadian teabag study and request their toxicology division to review. The FDA is responsible for US public safety for all food substances, package material, and labeling. I believe tea is considered a food, particularly now with all the natural fruit additives. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency may also want to comment on the teabag study.

Michael Harney you continue to impress me. I trust Harney and Son. Thank you for staying on top of the situation but most importantly thanks for taking a leadership role for being transparent. I have always preferred my tea loose so I am thankful that Harney’s provides loose, teabags, and sachets. I as a customer know that you have your customer’s best interests at heart.